This morning I received a comment to a post I wrote months ago. The person who wrote it was obviously angry about something I had written on this blog, though the remark didn't seem to be about the post in question. I present the comment here unedited (and "sic"-free).Connie, thankyou so much for taking time out of your dull life to write a piece about me. How awsome that someone would want to write about me!! And to put me between Rhonda and Joe.. wow. These people are world class and awsome people so I feel so honoured!!To which I replied:
However when you write quotes from peoples blogs etc you really should write the truth. Abuse is not a subject to joke or laugh about. But then you know that don't you.
Sorry your life has never led you to where you need to be and sorry that you use jokes to cover how you feel. Maybe in your next life time you will be wealthy and not where your at now. Tis a sad waste of your life poor lamb!!
Thank you for your deep insights about my life, Anon. I wish I knew who you were, though, so I could do more justice to your comment. If you are commenting on this post in particular [Happy Anniversary Hawai'i, 21 August 2007], I should remind you that I mentioned several people in the post. So I don't know which one you might be.And so I invite Anon to come forth and identify her/himself.
OTOH, I realize that you could be commenting on another post or several other posts and are just using this one because it is currently the last one that appears on the main page. I'm thinking this is the case, because you wrote, "And to put me between Rhonda and Joe...wow." As it happens, I didn't mention Rhonda OR Joe this post.
Nor did I mention abuse, for that matter. (And I don't recall ever making any jokes about REAL abuse. Further, despite anything you might be implying, I am not a survivor of any type of abuse other than the self-induced abuse of excessive drinking, once upon a time.)
Tell you what I'm going to do. In order to ensure that as many people as possible have a chance to experience your wisdom, and to give you a chance to reveal your true identity, I am going to devote an entire post to your comment.
And then, perhaps, the world will come to believe that my life and this blog are not a total waste after all.
Or themselves, as the case may be. I am going to start the ball rolling and venture a guess, based on the assumption that the post to which "Anon" responded with such passion – and compassion – is in fact a fairly recent one. In a very recent post I mentioned a rising channeling star named Kat, who has discovered that she is being visited and talked to by a female entity named Clara. Kat used the Secret official discussion forum to launch her channeling act. As it happens, if you start at the top of my page and scroll down, you will see that Kat and Clara do indeed fall between a post about Rhonda and a mention of Joe, both of whom I agree are Whirled-class. That's why I write about them here. (For example, consider the classy things Rhonda has been doing to the people who helped her create and launch The Secret.)
So... Anon, how did I do? Better than Clara did when feeding you that "information" about me, I bet.
37 comments:
It's always interesting when people who supposedly have a life will spend their precious time reading and commenting on blogs that belong to such poor, dull souls as you, Connie.
And if they are LOAers, well, you know what they're going to attract...
Well, it's not me. The only chanelling I do is between psychotic commuters on I75/85. However, I note that the internet, specifically the blogosphere, is hearth and home to more shades of personal affrontery than a lifetime of high school.
If someone wants to believe they are the reincarnated spirit of a lemurian phlebotomist - fine, but don't be surprised or hurt when some folks call you on that.
Same goes for any opinion or belief - prepare to be wrong.
Oh boy, too much caffeine today!
Thank you, Lana. I appreciate your comments and support.
As for my life being dull - it may very well be dull from the perspective of someone who hears voices and talks to entities. But it is anything *but* dull to me. Then again, I am easily entertained. :-)
Thanks, CD! Feel free to share your overly-caffeinated thoughts here any time.
I can tell ya now, NO WAY would Kat ever even give you the time of day!! she just wouldnt even come here, let alone reply, someone is pulling your pisser! LOL
making you look like a twat!
thing is you only put up what you want to put up and several people have messaged you about this and you wont put it up. Anyway you cant help it can ya!
Abby
Thank you for your breathtakingly eloquent input, Abby. Perhaps you meant to say I look like a "twit." Then again, perhaps you did mean meant "twat."
I can assure you that the message I received yesterday -- and posted not just once, but TWICE -- is the very first one I have received about this matter. So either the people who allegedly sent me the messages sent them to an address where I will not receive them, or Blogger is malfunctioning again. I do "publish what I want," which is the purpose of having a moderated blog. Similarly, the fine people who run "The Secret" official discussion forum pick and choose what they want to publish. More than one thread has been removed from that board when the discussion got too inflammatory.
Here on Whirled Musings I will publish just about anything as long as it doesn't contain gratuitous obscenities or potentially libelous material.
I'm not afraid to have people call me stupid or ignorant or misinformed or overly negative. But I've found that a lot of the Secretrons and imaginary-friends people seem to be very afraid when people call them on *their* nonsense.
Also, Abby, re "someone pulling my pisser" -- someone really DID write the quoted comment to me, but I came up with the idea that it might be Kat/Clara on my own. Nobody told me this was the case or even suggested it to me; I read between the lines. Of course, I had no way of knowing for sure. Although *I* publish under my real name, the person who wrote the comment posted anonymously -- as do virtually all of my most eloquent and intelligent-sounding critics.
However, this person did write as if s/he were one of the people I had written about. And the other clues just led to my hunch that it was indeed Kat/Clara.
It is very possible, however, that you are correct and Kat/Clara did not actually send that comment. But my guess is that "someone" sent it on her/their behalf, with or without her/their knowledge and consent. In other words, my guess is that no matter who sent it, the comment is indeed in response to my remarks about Kat and her imaginary buddy.
At any rate, in my opinion that comment -- and yours -- do make *someone* look like a twit. But I don't think I'm the one who comes out looking twit-ish on this one.
Oc course, Abby, if you yourself are also Kat/Clara, but truly believe yourself to be Abby, then I suggest the possibility that you are being inhabited by a disturbing number of individuals. There are, I belive, medications and counseling available for such conditions.
If you're just faking it, though, let me suggest that "Abby" and "Clara" could be merged into a collective entity, sort of like "Abraham." I think with their combined wit and wisdom, you could get some good gigs at your local metaphysical center/centre, and perhaps some day you can go global like Esther, Jerry, and The Abe Gang.
Anyway, rest assured that if I get any more comments from Clara/Kat's defenders (again, provided they do not contain gratuitous obscenity or potentially libelous material) I will publish them, unedited -- creative spelling, interesting leaps of logic, and all.
I actually want to appologise for calling you a 'twat' I don't know what come over me! I do want to defend kat, I know she didn't ask for this and I feel protective over the things I have learnt from her. I understand your 'blog' and the sarcasm you put into it. I know your only taking the piss, and that can be funny, you have a great way of making more out of something than that which is there. Like a reporter or politician.
I just don't understand why you would want to attack people. Surely if someone is helping people then thats good. Also I can tell you that kat has not been afraid to be called upon with her 'nonsense'. She has proved herself to many. She says she doesn't do fortunes or talk to dead she just talks about guides. A lot of people want to talk to their guides. I do understand your way of attacking people but shouldn't you have the facts first? Because people have questioned her and she answers every time. I mean she could just be a smartass for all I know.
I am just curious! Curious as to why you decided to 'pick' on Kat for doing nothing?
As for being 'Abby - Clara' I can only wish I had that gift.
I don't know who messaged you but when I asked Kat she didn't even know about you. I also know she wouldn't talk like that to anyone, even people who do annoy her (unlike me!)
However Kat does know now that this is here but I do doubt you will even phase her. I guess she is further on in life that me. However my cage is not rattled any more. Thankyou for putting my post up and I should not have called you a name, childish I know. So I am sorry. Although your opinion on Kat is wrong.
Anyway awaiting your sarcasm with baited breath!! (wit is always better though!)
Thanks
Abby.
Apology accepted, Abby. Likewise, I apologize for being unnecessarily sarcastic to you. However, I will continue to be sarcastic about people who talk to entities, but that is because frankly I believe most if not all of it is malarkey. And I "picked on" Kat for the same reason I "pick on" Jerry and Esther and the Abes.
Oops, I clicked "Publish your comment" before I was finished.
Abby, you wrote:
"I do understand your way of attacking people but shouldn't you have the facts first? Because people have questioned her and she answers every time. I mean she could just be a smartass for all I know."
You call it "attacking," I call it "commenting." In any case, as far as I am concerned the important "facts" regarding this case can be neither proved nor disproved. Some folks will believe "Clara" is real and some folks will not. Who can prove or disprove that? Some folks will believe that "spirit guides" exist and some will not. Who can prove or disprove THAT? Some folks will believe that Esther and Abe are for real but that Kat and Clara are merely imitators who were using "The Secret" forum and its mostly credulous members to launch a new career.
I have made some genuine factual errors on this blog and have corrected them when they have been pointed out to me. I am also more than willing to publish opinions that do not agree with mine. But when it comes to spirit guides or imaginary friends or whatever one wants to call them, we're not working in the realm of facts, but of faith and belief.
In any case, I thank you, Abby, for clarifying your position on this matter. And whether or not Clara is real, I am sure Kat is a very nice person. However, she needs to be wary of people who are writing posts pretending to be her (again, this is assuming that the original comment I quoted was indeed a response to what I'd written about her).
Thanks so much Connie. I understand what your saying completely. I guess the only bit that upset me was
'First she played the "reluctance and disbelief" card. Then as she became heartened by the encouragement of others – the awe, the sympathy, the questions – she grew ever stronger in her conviction that "Clara" is real.'
Because your making it sound like this is what she did. Kat and I have had a few online chats anout how people see us in our everyday lives and this was a big deal for her putting this up. I don't think she played any card or game. I think she was genuinely worried about putting it up because of comments like yours.
Thats why I got angry, because of what we had talked about. Kat is very nice and totaly freaked out by the whole thing. Also the reason she left the secret forum was because she had posts removed for no reason, nothing to do with this stuff, and she even asked why and they ignored her. She broke no rules and knows they are just bigots. The idea of the secret is great, but the people behind it are just out for themselves. Kat also wants her own site so she can keep it small.
Anyway I better say no more, cause sticking up for someone is a bit different that telling their life story.
Thanks again, and thankyou for your appology, but I guess I deserved it for being rude!!!
Abby.
I appreciate the additional insight, Abby. From where I sit, there is one point on which you, Kat and I agree: the folks behind "The Secret" are really out for themselves. And whether I believe that Abraham-Hicks are for real or not, I do think that Rhonda Byrne did not deal fairly with Esther and Jerry Hicks.
Group hug!
Works for me, CD. I may be snarky but I like hugging as much as anyone. I guess it's a holdover from my New-Age past. :-)
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. But CD's idea is fine...
I completely agree, I don't really know much about the Hicks, other than what happened behind the scenes. But the people who make the secret are just so greedy!!
Some awsome teachers got missed out on that DVD. Well she certainly got rich didn't she... that Rhonda woman!!
Well this has been very enlightening. Thanks Connie, will check from time to time.. see how your blog is getting on and if you find out who the mystery writer is!
Thanks
Abby x
Oh group hugs, cool, just don't squish me I am only little!!
The mysteries continue. Was I hallucinating last night?
No, Lana, don't worry. You were not hallucinating. Of my own accord, I temporarily removed the post you saw, and am getting ready to publish a little blurb about it so no one else will think they were hallucinating. (And also so nobody will think it's a "conspiracy.") I need to converse some more with some of my informants before I republish. However, I do have reason to believe that everything I wrote in the "disappearing post" was true.
Just making sure the enchiladas I had for dinner weren't laced with MJ or something :-)
:-)
I recently left the Kat and Clara cult, I finally figured out what was going on and when I took a hard look at the facts, they all added up to one thing. Kat created a cult with all of the usual characteristics of one in the traditional sense, yet with a spin, it's all internet based.
I created a couple of threads on the PI and Secret board to warn others, she recruites from that place becuase people are desperately looking for answers of which she supposably has. All I can say about the whole thing is if you are approached by her to join, run away quickly, she's a con artist and unfortunately I'm the only one to see the big picture. I was considered her "favorite" apparently I was Clara's brother in a past life, and needless to say, that past life was full of plenty of baggage that I was supposed to aborb and wrestle with. When I insisted that I didn't want to go there, she insisted that I learn from that past life and to explore it because there were lessons to learn. It was more like another way to control me.
I was nieve, I'm not now, unfortunately, Kat's meathods are effective. I hope at least by now, some of these guys are going to start questioning her, she's filling their heads with lies about it, about me, and about other members. I wish my friends all to be free from her, but I feel I might have been too late. You see, in the end, she decided to move everybody to another forum. I created the second one for her and the gang in a secure enviroment, when I learned about what was going on, I pulled the plug by changing the master password, it was too late, my hesitation costed me here since it simply moved to another spot.
I just wanted to give you an update here, and I'm not against the members, I know they are being deceived and that is why they react the way they do, I'm against Kat and her scam, bottom line!!!!
Very interesting, Anon. I was just going to post a link to a new discussion on The Secret forum about this. Thanks!
Connie, I'll do you a favor and post the links to them myself:
http://thesecret.powerfulintentions.com/forum/thesecret/message-view/33573870
http://team.powerfulintentions.com/forum/pi/message-view/33573343
Also, I posted something in regards to this at Craigs list:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/forums?act=Q&ID=80750411
You'll take note, all 3 places, it get's ugly. I'm lucky I got out when I did, the damage is minimal, again, I just want to help my friends see the truth. If you guys want to step in on any of those threads to add some rational discussion into there, by all means do so, I'm limiting what I'll comment on knowing it's going to be futile to debate with them.
Take care, Brian
Thanks, Brian!
Oh dear Brian what are you doing now. Connie, I think you might want to read the whole post Brian made. He is such a power freak. Thing is he wanted to control us all, he even attcked Kat on open chat to a site that HE SHUT down cause he built it. (it is all in the links he gave you). He argued with her about wanting more power and charging us to join, but Kat said no. Most of us where there and saw it, thats why we all disagree with him. He recons he knows a lot and he even wrote that he was more intelegent than all of us! This man has had his post removed on the PI forums before. If you read what he ahs given you you will see people who dont even belong to kats site telling him what a screw ball he was.
We have all asked for proof for days now and he produces nothing. Kat offered her password to show she was hiding nothing and it was at that point he shut the site down, he knew we would read his stuff he said to her.
He often bullied her into making money but she didn't want to.
Kat has the same ideas as the rest of us and that is what why we love it their. Like minded people agreeing that the world is in a mess. There is no cult and the replies from people say it all.
We are all strong independant individuals. I do not belong to a cult, nor have I ever, or ever will be. I am a strong person who believes what they want.
Brian has huge control issues and he has exploited a lot of people.
He bullied Kat into moving to a forum he had built, let us all talk and share private things about our lives and then he kicked us out with no reason and is threatening to share our lives for his own sick fantasy.
I read your stuff, but never comment, but I have to here, both sides need to be heard.
We speak only the truth, we can ALL come here and tell you how open and calm Kat is. SHe has never asked us for anything. She gives her time and that is it. She is a strong woman who has endured a lot. She is a great friend and has helped us all and changed lives. By helping people accept who they are as themsleves to change nothing. To foloow our gut instinct. Thats it.
Brian has tried to force us to listen to him, he bullies people.
As for being Kats favorite, that is a joke, he wanted to think that. But she treats us all the same. SHe always replies to us. We talk on chat like friends. She sees us all as equals, she has never made herself out to be better than the rest of us. That was Brians Job. I am just sorry that he is trying this everywhere he goes. Infact when we first knew wbout your post, he was telling people to not worry about your opinion that your were nothing to the bigger picture, he soon changed his tune when he ran out for friends.!!
Sorry just thought you should know both sides.
I have to kind of hide who I am, he is hacking our passwords and stuff. So sorry for just the A,
A
Well, I can't take sides in this one because I don't know enough about it. But I'm publishing different folks' viewpoints so people can make up their own minds. I'm still sorting out some stuff on another thread. Have at it, but be nice to each other!
Well I have never revealed my real name on the kat site, not for fear, but because I don't reveal it any where.
No point unless it is needed or for real life. But I will put it here.
I have learnt this! Kat is one of the kindest people I have ever met online.Kat and Brian used to talk a lot on chat, but that was normally because he would not leave her alone.
Kat would be trying to answer posts and things and he would jibe about it.
To the point that on the site he built he put a chat box on every page.
Brian made it clear to all of us that he wanted to make money big.
Some of us know he is living with mother in law and others of us know he is really minted!! ROFL. OK!!
Brian really is the only liar!
I know that Kat would not care for what Brian says, but I care.
Not only because he is trying to give a bad name to someone I care about but also because I care what he is saying about us.
We are just a forum of people who have a laugh and support each other when we are down.
Nothing bad has ever happened there. Brian makes it all up.
We have all asked for proof from him, but we did see proof of him bullying her into making the site bigger and making money from it.
We also know that Brian is taking so long to produce evidence that when it does arrive it will be fabricated by his poorly mind.
Kat has felt no need to defend herself, he who shouts loudest and all that.
I am sure Connie that you are intellegent enough to read through all the links he gave you and see for yourself the poor poor man needs attention.
He loved helping Kat, we all saw that, but when he tried to take over that which is equal to us all she put her foot down. Kat asks all of us first, what pages we want up, what topics, it is never about a leader and followers.
I will say this, we are stronger now and because of his negative posts more people have read her oringinal thread and want to join. So thankyou so much Brian for bringing new people to us.
Also, Brian your the Liar, you started by saying Clara was the devil (you are a born again christian right??) he said the devil had taken over Kat. When people didn't listen to that one he then started saying there was no Clara, when that didn't work he said Kat had a cult. That was all in like 3 days of each quote he made.
We dont don't all believe everything we all share their, about guides or religions, but we share and take what we want.
Brian I have watched you for almost a year now, make a fool of yourself. Kat did tell you that you need to sort you inner child out, have therapy. Your sick mate and you really need help. Your missing so much of your life by being angry.
You really do need help.
I feel sorry for your girlfriend mate.
Ya all need to believe what your heart tells you but I do only hear one Brian voice and lots of voices for Kat no matter where you go.
Brian do you get that no-one is listening to your bitter argument. Your arguing with yourself.
With respect for filling your site with Brian Crap.
Julie Reed.
Unfortunately, the current members there are being fed a load of hogwash about everything. Don't believe what she sais folk's, she's not being truthful at all. I'm watching these responses going, well, this is turning into a great fictional novel, what an imagination. I can't wait to see it's refined version, I wonder where her imagination will take her in those regards.
Trust me on this one folks, the reason I don't give the accusations much word play is because I know how far off base they are in the first place. Obviously you guys are just going to mindlessly listen to every word Kat sais. I know, it's hard to hear this, I've been there, I barely got out, it took alot to realize how full of crap she is, that her agenda is clearly set and that you all are being victimized in the process.
Not going to even counter much of the fabrications you mentioned, it's absolutely ludicris to even give them any form of word play outside of saying, utter and complete fiction outlined within some facts, yes, I changed the password, but only after Kat already moved the bulk of you, thus my context of being too late. That goes for all boards/blogs and threads. Use your heads readers, this is a pretty common stance to place blame on the x cultist. And I gotta post, for the record, your personal info, what was said, stays with you, I only point out Kat's contradictions and finding the plot gets thicker the more she posts here and elsewhere. It's revealing to me just how much bullcrap she's feeding you guys, she's a liar, know that!!!!
Anyway, Connie, amazing, I was on the inside, I was against you, now here I am, right in line with you and together exposing her little racket. Funny how life turns out that way some times. Kat had me marked for an easy target, in the end, it's her that's the easy mark, she lied so much, she can't remember what she lied about. You guys still in there, listen up, question everything you are being told, analyze it all and do so subjectively. That's my message here, I guess I can only show you so much, it's gotta be something you figure out on your own.
Take care, Brian
The main point, though is... we're still talking about a gal and her imaginary friend, right? Just checking.
But thanks, everyone, for your comments.
Anon, I am not sure what you intended by providing the link to the "Zeitgeist" movie, but I wrote a little bit about that last August:
http://tinyurl.com/2coswy
Connie, Hello. I have read lots, but never written. I wanted to jump to the link on the bottom here. About the Zeitheist, did you watch it?? All the way through?
If you did, what do you 'really' think?
Do you think they are right about what the government want to do.
I wasn't going to reply, I just like reading, but this morning on the news (I'm UK) it said exactly what it said was going to happen on that film. That more money is going to be put into an anti terror war .....
That, lets face it, just isn't there.
Everyone knows that the current war is useless, a waiste of life, money and time. Everyone says to bring the troops home. I am just seeing a pattern emerge. I am one who only believes when I get evidence.
I also wanted to know what you believe, I would say that your pretty mean sometimes and take the piss big style. So maybe an athiest springs to mind. You may have answered that here before, but I am afraid I don't get to read it all. Although maybe if you took a day off from time to time I might get to catch up.
I have enjoyed many things that you have written, and your posts always lead me to new things. Thankyou for brightening up my week, every week. Your such a fiesty girl.
Bob (71, London, UK)
Well, obviously the he said/she said is getting everyone quite far. *Big dramatic sigh*
Bottom line: neither side is ever going to convince the other of anything. So we can either shut up and live our own lives or keep bickering until each side is just as crazy as they believe the other to be.
Hey, if anyone wants to make a quick buck, this has the makings of a fairly decent Lifetime drama....
Nora, you make a good point. And you're right; as far as I'm concerned both sides have had their say, and I'm not going to leave the forum open to endless bickering. Frankly, though, I don't think it's quite worth a Lifetime drama.
I enjoy your blogs, by the way. You're a very entertaining writer.
Aw...shucks *blush* Thanks!
Anyhoozit, do pardon my very first comment here, if you please. In case nobody noticed, I hold belief in the group and it toasts my muffins to see it slammed. I could have just taken my own advice and just shut up about it but...wait, let me think up a good excuse. I'll get back to ya ;)
No excuse needed, Nora. Besides, you weren't that far off base about calling me a bee-yotch. I sometimes am. :-)
To Bob in the UK: First off, I'm sorry I hadn't replied yet to your comment. I'll rectify that now.
I watched most of the "Zeitgeist" movie and it struck me mainly as just another offering in the "conspiracy" genre. Like most such movies, however, it contained some elements of truth, enough to incite new waves of alarmists. :-)
Although this isn't a political blog, let me just say that, to put it mildly, I do NOT see eye-to-eye with our current administration and never have -- not just on Iraq, but on the war on terrorism in general, and many other matters as well.
As for my standing on the belief-meter: I am not an atheist, but consider myself to be an agnostic who is willing to listen to believers and skeptics of all stripes, but who is turned off by smugness or self-righteousness, no matter which side of the fence it's coming from. And I've been criticized by both sides -- by some believers for being too snarky, and by some skeptics for not being as much of a critical thinker as they'd like.
Last March 15 I wrote a post that (sort of) explains why I'm basically still a fence-sitter:
http://tinyurl.com/3bv7fx
Some say I come across as smug and self-righteous myself, and you say I sometimes come across as mean, so I guess it's all a matter of perception. :-)
But do know that I appreciate your comments and I'm glad you're getting some enjoyment from this blog.
Everybody: I'm still getting some interesting feedback about the Kat-and-Clara group, and while I am not trying to stifle any person's voice -- nor am I striving to give any particular person the "last word" -- I feel that I also have to set some limits. I just don't want this forum to degrade into the he-said/she-said back-and-forth and ad hominem attacks we see so often in online forums. I may already be too late on that, but I don't want it to get any worse.
I think most of us have been involved in heated online discussions that turned into fights or out-and-out attacks. This is what seems to have been happening with the Kat and Clara group. When you mix passionate belief with serious disillusionment, civility is often the first casualty.
I think I have made my viewpoint clear regarding most "channeling" or other types of communication with disembodied entities. (My flippant references to the "imaginary-friends industry" should give a clue as to where I stand.) Even so, I am certainly willing to listen to, and publish, the viewpoints of those who believe they really are in communication with disembodied entities or Ascended Masters. I'm also willing to listen to and publish the p.o.v.s of their followers. And though I don't see things their way, I think that in general I am a bit kinder to all of them than someone such as, say, Skeptico or Crack Emcee would be.
At any rate, I have decided not to publish a few comments I've been sent regarding some of the stuff that is going on behind the scenes at the Kat and Clara forum and other related forums. It's not that I don't agree with the sender's basic premise that "Clara" is a fabrication (and, possibly, the product of a disturbed psyche). Based upon what I've seen, that's pretty much my opinion (and has been since I first read of K and C on "The Secret" forum).
But I hasten to add that this is my opinion, and of course I have no way of knowing for certain. And trust me, I'm not making light of any problems or abuse issues Kat may be dealing with. But I've seen other examples of people who had similar issues and they resorted to similar fabrications. And I think that if we're going to look at the "channeling" phenomenon in a more objective and non-snarky way, we have to take the channeler's mental or emotional state into consideration.
I also see, however, that Kat has her group of friends and allies, and who am I to begrudge her that? Some have alleged that she is actually causing harm with her group, but if it is a very closed and private type of group and isn't "recruiting," I don't think it's quite Rick Ross material yet.
I do appreciate the feedback I am getting, and if I receive something else that I think will add to the conversation I will publish it.
Meanwhile, both sides are always free to start their own blogs or discussion forums about the matter.
Thank you to all of you for your participation.
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