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Friday, April 04, 2008

A divorce in Secretville

Dear Ones, I must apologize once again for not properly tending to my blog, especially in light of some of the interesting Whirled events of the past several weeks. And while at the moment I still don't have the time (or the brain power) for a long post, I didn't want to let another week go by without commenting on one of these momentous events.

By now you may have already heard that the Bob and David show – as in Proctor and Schirmer, respectively – has been canceled for good. I'll grant that Schirmer, the lone Aussie star of the hit New-Wage infomercial The Secret, got as much mileage as he could out of his association with Scientist Bob and The Secret. It looked like a match made in heaven for a while. But there was trouble in their joint-venture paradise, trouble that probably began last year when the first hint of Schirmer's financial misdeeds became public.

Now Proctor has made it abundantly (great choice of words, don't you think?) clear that he wants nothing more to do with Schirmer, Schirmer's wife Lorna, or the Schirmers' various companies. Recently he took the Schirmers to Federal Court in Australia to make his point, accusing them of misleading and deceptive practices, and stating that he, Proctor, had suffered loss and damage as a result of their actions.

The case was recently resolved by a court order stating that, for all practical purposes, Schirmer can't even utter the name "Bob Proctor" in public again. Nor can he sell Proctor's products or in any way insinuate that he is associated with Proctor. Further, he has to pay Proctor's court costs – $60,000.00 at $5,000.00 per month, beginning on May 1, 2008. If you're interested, here's a link to the page that will take you to the court order; under the word "Document," click "Yes," and it will bring up another page with the actual court order on it.

I know, I know... you're probably as shocked and dismayed as I am that this seemingly happy marriage has come to an end, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.*

To make matters worse for Schirmer (or better, from the standpoint of his penchant for playing the martyr card), that pesky Ben Fordham of Australia's
A Current Affair is still on his trail. The latest exposé aired last month, and on this episode, Schirmer really loses his cool. Here's the YouTube link. I've been informed that Schirmer's "security" in this segment – or at least the person running interference with Ben Fordham – is one of Schirmer's teenage sons. As they say, "The family that preys together..."

But all is not grim in Schirmerville. He's still looking to the US for new marks...er... new markets. And Schirmer is nothing if not persistent when it comes to repackaging himself and creating new businesses. Word has it that he has a new company called Perissos International Ltd. Apparently this name is Bible-based, which is completely appropriate, as Schirmer is reportedly a man of faith.
I Googled the word "Perissos" and found this on a site called "Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words":
perissos: "more than sufficient, over and above, abundant" (a popular substitute for perissoteros), is translated "more," e.g., in Matt_5:37,47. In John_10:10 the neuter form is rendered "more abundantly," AV, RV, "abundantly" (marg., "abundance").
Ah, yes, there's that magical word, "Abundance." And I have a feeling that this year will hold an abundance of surprises for our man Schirmer. So dry your tears, Dear Ones. Do not weep for the union that was torn asunder. David Schirmer's story isn't over yet. In fact, I suspect it has just begun.

* I'm not suggesting for a moment that Bob Proctor is a sterling character himself, but... well, I'd better wait till I have clearance to tell that story.

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35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it's not so new. Then again, maybe it is, since if you google the phrase "Perissos International" you only get two hits (well, three now with the mention on your blog). That's not too many for an established business.

The one hit is a placeholder page for perissosinternational.com, and according to internic's whois the site was registered in early January of 2008. Which would seem to indicate a new company.

But the second hit is Schirmer's LinkedIn page, which claims "Perissos International" has been in business since June 2003, dealing in Schirmer's many personal development "products".

So it's probably just a rehash of the Proctor stuff, without the Proctor.

Good luck to everyone trying to sort out the lies...

Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:54:00 AM  
Blogger Steven Sashen said...

Luckily for Schirmer, he can earn than $5,000 in just seconds thanks to his brilliant stock trading system which has higher annual returns than any stock trader in the history of stock trading... according to his undocumented claims.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you EVER seen any proof of Schirmers claims????? Not one Schirmers courses are able to provide that sort of return in that sort of time. So his claims are complete bullshit as you seen to realise. Another thing you might like to consider is IF what Schirmer is stating is remotely correct then WHY CAN'T HE PAY HIS BILLS??????? You'd have to think he would be keen to get the monkeys off his back.

I take it that you are taking the piss out of Schirmer by your comment and I like your blog entry "As if...." which for the benefit of those who only have time to quickly look on this blog here is some of it:

"“Act as if” (otherwise known as “fake it ’til you make it”).

The premise, not too surprisingly, is simple… wait, that’s not fair… let me try again.

The premise, like most transformational theories, is ridiculously simple-minded.

This one: If you want to be rich, you need to “act as if you’re rich.” Act as if long enough and you will have to get what you want!

Go test drive expensive cars, wear better clothes, eat better food… and you will eventually become rich enough to do these things for real … that’s the idea, at lest. A variation of “vibration/magnetism/attraction.”

And, as Lao Tzu once said, “Insane in the membrane!”"

Thoroughly SCHIRMER.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the Perissos name, go to Godaddy.com and you will see that the details are as follows:

Wealth By Choice
+61.398798155 Phone
+61.398795811 Fax
Suite 2, 137-145 Rooks Road
Vermont, Victoria 3133
Australia
www.perissosinternational.com
david@tradingedge.com.au

And that is Schirmer's business address, phone number and email address. Trading Edge is his stock market trading business and one look at that shows you how successful it is.....nothing has changed on that site for years, even the dates!!

Perissos is a new business name and almost for certain it will be all his New Wage crap. If you check that court order in Connies blog you will see he cannot use the name Life Success, or anything deceptively similar (Proctor obviously knew how Schirmer operates), so no doubt that is the reason for the new name.

Connie must have been dreaming when she thought she put the YouTube link in for the latest ACA episode, so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPqTOtUZMA

Of note is that one of the meanings of Perissos is "superfluous", which is more apt I would say.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 7:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Jooles said...

Proctor looks like a man who has been hurt, Schirmer looks like a stupid fat immature knowitall who can't stop giggling. In other words, I would rather be placing my future with Bob Proctor.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL I love your play on ABUNDANCE..

I would imagine that there wouldn't be too many people who would want to swap their life with the Schirmers raining abudantly with fire and brimstone (HELL in plainer terms).

Schirmer is really a false prophet of the secret. He uses people including Pastors to make him appear to be doing good things not evil and even those people will soon find themselve enveloped with an evil Jezebel spirit.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob Proctor is not the only one the Schirmers have hurt. They have screwed people over for years and years so this is like the cherry on top of the pie for thier victims. Who better to set it all rolling than Bob Proctor the very person that Schirmer thought he would suck up to and use. It proves that neither of the Schirmers are very bright people at all.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Jerred said...

LOL Isn't the rehash of the Proctor stuff exactly what the investors invested in. Now Schirmer has some explaining to do to them as to why his association with Proctor has ceased oops, nasty bidness and wont look too healthy for their case. No wonder his lawyer has quit. Really who would back someone who screws up every business relationship they have and then screws over the people to boot. Schirmer has a habit of saying "but they are not talking about all the good i've done" well I suspect that is because there aint much to talk about except his own spruiking about himself.

Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Petty said...

What are the conditions of the Divorce settlement?

Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David Schirmer has just sent out a SPAM email from his database soliciting for "friends" on Facebook. Seems "friends" are hard to come by these days. It seems that Schirmers interpretation of a "friend" is someone who will keep buying his crap off him to line his pocket because in my view he has no other use for friends whatsoever.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCAM ALERT : Do not add someone by the name of DAVID SCHIRMER to your facebook. It is a SCAM and you will be solicited to to invest with a person who has just been charged in the Federal Court of Australia for misleading and deceptive conduct. Check the Federal Court Website to confirm for yourself but be warned.

Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:24:00 PM  
Anonymous John said...

Well to end the week on a most brilliant note, this is how David Schirmer answered the question in the book he is trying to flog WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE in which by the way, he wrote a whole TWO PAGES!! of his apparent wisdom.

Who Do You Think You Are?


"I am one of the most successful stock and commodity traders in the world and one of the most brilliant minds on the Law of Attraction."

Permit me to vomit, the guy is a deluded sociapath (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html) who is about to get his comeuppance for being such a royal ass. That shows the level of his serious delusion. When he can show any proof at all of his ability to even trade the market successfully then he will have a few ears. Until then he has successfully deluded himself to truly believe he is the best in the world.

Enjoy the laugh!

Friday, April 11, 2008 2:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest craze with internet marketers is to create a false sense of "community" around a particular product or service by using social networking software--explicitly so you, the marketer, can exploit them and harvest an email list for your various joint venture partners. John Reese, Frank Kern, Jeff Walker--they've all been pushing this idea for the past several months. So here comes David, months behind the curve, as usual....

Monkey see, monkey do...

Friday, April 11, 2008 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Cosmic Connie said...

Everyone: Thank you for the comments; I'm sorry I haven't been able to respond to you individually. It's been another tough week... But know that I appreciate your participation in this ongoing discussion, and I will have more to share about this matter in a future blog post.

Thanks again!

Friday, April 11, 2008 5:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well this guy has made the royal title of dumbest ass of the year. He has just been sued for misleading and deceptive conduct and from what I can see he doesn't appear to have conformed to the court order so we'll see what goes now. There is something really strange about this guy, its like as if he has a psycho problem or something.

Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Elliott said...

David Schirmers statement in Keith Leons book is all LIES.

Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything that Schirmer does he COPIES off someone else. He must spend all his time rooting around the web looking for what he thinks is a good idea. The trouble is we all know that the web is full of crap marketing of false statements and lies and Schirmers just mingling with the best of them.

It just doesn't stack up as credible or honest and that is really what people want. I think Schirmers head has got way too big for him, it might role off soon. Let's wait and see.

Monday, April 14, 2008 6:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Elliott said...

Just remember that any title these people give themselves they have given it to themselves. It is only earnt in their own eyes and maybe the eyes of a few besotted followers, it is not awarded, it is not even as a result of any formal education, and they have done it with one intention only that is to make more and more money for themselves (it sure ain't for you!) and in doing so they deceive the very public they need to make that money. They deceive them into believing they are something and someone that they are not. These people have a very grandiose opinion of themselves and think they are much more worthy than any other individual and somehow the public owes it to them to make them wealthy. They are by all accounts surreptitiously at war with the very people that they need.

On that knowledge, the wishful and dreamy lights of fame, the illgotten apparent fortunes and the even more massively inflated egos will be very very short lived. That is already evident in the fact that now even their apparent (can't have been too close a relationship) best buddy Bob Proctor has removed all association completely and that could only be resolved by a court order? Now that's serious. That is not just a business relationship gone wrong that is a complete and permanent lack of respect because they have done something very wrong and very unethical in business, the very place when you want your manners to shine! That is if you really do want success.

I believe this is only just the beginning of what are the real laws of attraction in action and I also believe it happened to the weakest link in the secret first. Like all good conmen do, the real situation behind the scenes was hidden with intent and anyone who is needed to serve the purpose of making these people rich will be told a very different story to what the facts more than likely are. Who knows what will come out now. One thing is for sure these people never learnt the first lesson of business before they moved onto the second "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" or as it applies to business "keep your enemies close and your customers even closer".

Nothing anyone does now will change their results, they themselves by their own actions have created the results they now experience. We all do.

Monday, April 14, 2008 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perissos sounds like a skin disease, eeeewk.

Monday, April 14, 2008 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Joy said...

Maybe this is the real reason why the secret has so much controversy surrounding it now, it never was meant to be:

http://www.shekinahtherapy.com.au/13.html

Interesting....

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Peter said...

David Schirmer is in the Federal Court yet again for an Intellectual Property Charge.

Look at the Federal Court case SCHIRMER, DAVID VID222/2008 Jlf Corporation Pty Ltd V Schirmer Financial Managemtn Pty Ltd & Ors INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY 15/04/2008 FCA Vic Current

The case date is 2 May 2008 and god knows what else is on the horizon for this guy.

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:32:00 PM  
Blogger Cosmic Connie said...

Once again I'm going to respond to several comments at once, since my "high-speed" satellite Internet is behaving sluggishly.

To the first "anon" remark after my comment: I'm sure there are quite a few folks, both private citizens and members of the Aussie media, who are keeping a close watch on the situation to see if Schirmer does obey the court order. I suppose the big test will be whether or not he starts paying Proctor's court expenses beginning May 1, as ordered.

Elliot: David Schirmer's statements in the Leons' book may be all lies, but if so, he's merely carrying on a venerated selfish-help/New-Wage tradition. I'm sure that's not the first time a New-Wage "guru" has fibbed. And it's probably not the first time Schirmer has fibbed. For that matter, Schirmer's material is probably far from the only deceptive stuff in the pages of the Leons' book. The nature of the beast, I'm afraid...

As for your second, more lengthy comment, Elliott: Well said. You have eloquently summarized the darker side of the selfish-help/New-Wage crowd.

Anon 2: Just like his fabrications in the Leons' book, Schirmer's "copycatting" Internet marketing gimmicks is pretty much SOP in the New-Wage world. Don't get me wrong; some of these marketing tactics can be very valuable tools for online entrepreneurs. But they can also backfire.

Anon 3 wrote, "Perissos sounds like a skin disease, eeeewk." LOL.

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Law of Attraction is working overtime for David Schirmer. He's in the Federal Court again on another matter on 2 May 2008.

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Schirmer has a workshop on the same day as he is to appear in court so I wonder how he'll explain that? And I wonder who would be game enough to attend. Maybe the Blind, Deaf and Dumb?

Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:50:00 AM  
Anonymous HHH said...

These Americans are so clever and wity they could sometimes almost be English.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/oprah_launches_own_reality

Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Compared to Proctor and Fitzgerald, Schirmer is nothing more than a bloated WANNABE.

Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did the sky god say to the Earth goddess after her surface had been eroded by rivers for a few million years?

Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No idea, please explain or use plain english so everyone can share your comments.

Sunday, April 20, 2008 5:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What did the sky god say to the Earth goddess after her surface had been eroded by rivers for a few million years?"

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tons of Schirmers web addresses are not working or have been closed down. Is he finally reaping the rewards of screwing everyone to finance his house and cars and dining room tables and art works? This guy is being forced to live like everyone else, HONEST.

Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Colin said...

From reading all the posts about the Schirmers I have come to one conclusion and that is that David and Lorna Schirmer have used everyone elses money to pay their bills and for their business lifestyle while also siphoning off money for themselves out of the company so that the only people who get anything are the Schirmers. That way they double, triple, quadruple dip so that there is nothing left for anyone else or to pay anything on time. Could I be right?

Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have never seen anyone so deluded about their future as Schirmer. He can't make up his mind what or who he is and in fact it would not surprise me to see him take off as a recluse and go preach with a church. He obviously has no respect for anyone else or what their desires may be but he sure as hell looks after himself. The fact that now he is involved in a church group makes the whole thing even more weird. The guy really is a deluded sociopath and god help the women in that church.

Monday, April 21, 2008 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe that this guy is able to con his staff into believing his crap. What deluded little puppets they must be.

Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want to know what I think, his current staff are just sitting there waiting for the whole thing to go under to grab it. Trouble is, Schirmer doesn't give he only takes. One of his staff have just opened a night club and apparently he boasts about being a good christian boy. Like everything that comes out of that place now, it's all bullsh-t.

Friday, June 13, 2008 11:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just thought you guys might like to know...this is the link to David Scammer's info where he lists his Perissos company. I hope enough people are aware of his tricks before he gets any richer in the U.S. (we have our own crooks here) http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschirmer

Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:15:00 AM  

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