NOTE: There is a very important update on this story (dated 30 November 2016) at the very end of this post.
~CC
It's time to finally shake myself free of my holidaze -- the most recent celebration being Cosmic Connie Day, aka my birthday, the celebration of which is actually still going on. But let's get down to Whirled business. Continuing this blog's prevailing theme of No Neat and Tidy Endings, or NNATE as my dear friend Julie Daniel puts it, we turn our attention to one of the lesser known cohorts of now-imprisoned serial scammer Kevin Trudeau, aka KT, aka Katie on this Whirled. That would be one Coral Rose Grant, a "Life Coach" formerly known as Coral Thomas before she got hitched to a fellow grifter, Mac Grant. Two can scam as cheaply as one, and it seems these two have now landed themselves in a bit of legal trouble.
As first reported by Ryan Kocian on Courthouse News Service on January 25, 2016 -- and again, thanks to Julie Daniel for pointing this out to me -- there seems to be a class action suit brewing against Coral's life coaching scampire, the accusation being that she and her hubby were running a Ponzi scheme. The essentials:
Named plaintiffs Cheri Lucas and April Fisher sued Coaching by Coral LLC dba The Secret to Life Coaching and three of its affiliates or shells; their CEOs Coral Rose Grant fka Coral Rose Thomas and Gary McGonagle Grant II aka Mac Grant; and their associate Heather Suzanne Perdue, in Travis County Court.Earlier today (January 26), the news was picked up by the Daily Beast, with an eye-rolling lede -- that is, eye-rolling regarding the Paris event being described, not the writer's choice to use that as a lede.
The defendant companies include The Release LLC, Infinity Manifestation LLC, and Superdue Inc., all of Colorado.
Lucas and Fisher seek to represent a class of "all persons who have entered into 'coaching contracts' or 'investor contracts' with any of the defendants."
It’s early 2015 in a Paris conference room and nerdy men in suits are shouting: “I’m sassy, I’m sexy, I’m sensational!” The words, indecipherable if not for the video’s caption, are a part of a warm-up game during a life-coaching retreat—one aimed at shaping the world's best life coaches.The plaintiffs are represented by Camden Chancellor in Odessa, Texas and Arnaldo Pereira in Austin. So far I haven't been able to track down any actual court documents.
A company called The Secret to Life Coaching (TSTLC)—one that’s now under government investigation—hosted the retreat. Founded in 2008 by Coral Rose Grant, TSTLC’s stated mission is to help people “live their best lives” and, ultimately, make a career out of teaching others the same.
This week, it is the subject of a major class-action lawsuit led by two former clients, Cheri Lucas and April Fisher—the latter of whom taught classes for TSTLC. Together, the two allege that the company was part of a Ponzi scheme devised by Coral and her husband, Mac, in which they pocketed investor money totaling anywhere from $8 million to $20 million, using it to “live like royalty.”
Charging people hundreds of dollars to help them find the “life of their dreams,” they instead used it to live out their own. The mastermind behind the scheme, the two claim, was a “career fraudster and federal felon” Kevin Trudeau, the “infomercial king” who is serving time in prison for diet books. Coral, they say, not only visited Trudeau in prison, but spent money trying to get him released.
[Update: I finally obtained the court docs on February 16; see link at the end of this post.]
Now. I hate to say "I told you so." No, I don't. But I won't, not in so many words. Instead I will take my usual annoying approach of rubbing your nose in the fact that I've mentioned Coral a few times on this blog over the past couple of years.
It's not that I'm some scoopy investigative journalist. I am actually pretty lazy. But I got a few heads-ups about Coral from a former Trudeau/Global Information Network (GIN) insider a few years ago, and I've been watching her ever since, more or less. Okay, I've been sleeping on the job lately. But still.
This November 2014 piece is one of my posts where I mentioned Coral's scams, including a mention of the Paris bash featured in the Daily Beast lede, and it has links to previous mentions. The post is long and is not entirely about Coral, so skip down to the pink subhead, "We'll always have Paris..."
Be sure to take note of another player in this little drama, Nancy Ashley, long-time GIN member and Trudeau loyalist. I share a screen shot of one of her posts about another coaching retreat hosted by Coral and gang, and it appears from that screen shot that Chris "Voldemort" McGarahan, another Katie cohort and also a co-owner of the "new" GIN, is/was quite involved with Coral's coaching scampire.
The current reports about the pending class action frame Coach Coral's association with Kevin Trudeau as "information and belief," but as far as I am concerned the matter goes beyond informed speculation. Coral proudly promoted herself as being one of the few life coaches in the universe who was personally mentored by Trudeau. You can read about it in this May 2014 Whirled post. And as for the allegation that she helped pay for Kevin's legal defense, the writing has been all over the wall on that one, including the walls of this blog. To quote me in that May 2014 piece:
And the Paris to-do in early 2015 was actually promoted as a fund raiser for Kevin's legal defense. Interestingly enough, the Courthouse News Service piece quotes the complaint as saying, "Coral's criminal activities seem to have been too much even for Trudeau, since plaintiffs have been informed that Trudeau told her to stop." Whether or not that is true, it does appear that the cat is now officially out of the bag regarding Coral's schemes.
A couple of C.I.s have told me to watch out for [Coral] and her pals, because they're still actively involved in enterprises that will benefit Katie. Coral and gang reportedly have an agreement with Katie to raise a certain amount of money -- $100k or so, according to some sources -- for his legal defense in exchange for rights to market some of his frauducts and flopportunities and/or other benefits.
It appears that this was a long time coming. Here's a Ripoff Report from a dissatisfied customer in Colorado, dated October 2014.
If the plaintiffs or other vics had read my earlier blog posts, perhaps they wouldn't have lost so many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Oh, I am only kidding. I may be a narcissist, but I am not that full of myself. More than likely those who had to learn the hard way would have dismissed me as a hater or a dream stealer, like so many GIN members did for years -- and like so many other true believers still do.
This case is only in its very early stages and may end up fizzling out, or being settled out of court, or it may actually become a really big thing. With court cases you just never know. And I am not sure about jurisdiction since the plaintiffs are in Texas and the defendants in Colorado, though with a class action suit that may be moot, provided the case was properly filed in the right court. Sometimes lawyers make really big mistakes in that regard. Any of you legal brains out there, feel free to enlighten me. In any case I'll keep you posted and will add any updates, including court documents, if they become available to me.
Meanwhile if anyone reading this has any additional insights I'm all ears (or eyes). I'd like to hear from people who have experiences with Coral's coaching companies, good or bad. I'll respect anonymity as requested. Plaintiffs: I'd definitely love to hear from you, and if I do, I won't tell you, "I told you so." Coral and Mac, y'all are welcome to weigh in as well, though I rather suspect you won't since you haven't responded to other journos' attempts to get a comment.
The lesson here, besides the whole NNATE thing, is caveat emptor. Especially when it comes to "life coaching." That is as true now as it was nearly nine years ago when I wrote this.
UPDATE, January 28, 2016:
I'm still trying to round up some court documents. Meanwhile, it seems that Coral has been rather silent on her Facebook page. Some mischievous soul (not I) posted a link to the Daily Beast article about the lawsuit on her timeline, but that seems to be gone now. And her Facebook profile seems to be devoid of information about her companies and accomplishments...
...though her "Intro" blurb on the landing page still describes her as a "Real Estate Investor...Venture Capitalist...TV Show Host...Mentor...Author...Speaker & Trainer."
But the snow must go on. A friend of mine got this email yesterday...
And as noted above, Infinity Manifestation is one of the named defendants in this developing case.
And in the Turds of a Feather category...
Coral and Mac do love to hobnob with the Rich(ard) and famous. But Branson, like most celebs, will probably pose with anyone who asks, so I wouldn't put too much stock in this photo.
Anyway. I'll have more about the court case as soon as I know more. While you're waiting, here are some recent-ish posts from Coral's Facebook page. Those of you who have lost thousands of dollars to this grifting couple, try not to gag.
UPDATE, February 6, 2016:
Here is some more lamestream media coverage of Coach Coral's troubles. It is basic reporting of the facts of the case -- nothing really new there -- and the rest is a cautionary note about the necessity of checking out the credentials of any "life coach" you are thinking of hiring. The article kind of misses the point that the basis of Coral's scampire was NOT providing actual "coaching" to gullible individuals; instead she made her fortune teaching others to be scammers. She also apparently had some shady investment deals going and was able to extract money that way as well; I've heard from a few folks who were screwed by her out of astonishing amounts of money but who really are not ready to come forward with their stories yet. I hope to have actual updates, including the actual court documents, soon.
UPDATE, February 16, 2016:
Thanks to the tireless efforts of an invaluable friend and ally I finally got the Complaint documents. It was far more of an ordeal to get it than it should have been. But here you go. Of note, the complaint does address the jurisdiction issue I raised at the beginning of this post.
IMPORTANT UPDATE, November 30, 2016:
Coral says there never was a lawsuit, that the whole thing has been resolved, and that everyone is happy.
Although I invited Coral and/or Mac Grant to publicly comment on this post way back in January of this year when I first published it -- and they could have easily done so via the comments section -- I heard nothing from them for months and months and months. I did hear from a couple of anonymous commenters: one who claimed to have a relative who'd been scammed by Coral's coaching schemes; and another person claimed to have been financially hurt by her but still believes Coral was an amazing leader and mentor, and has made a positive difference in a lot of people's lives.
But I heard nothing from Coral herself until today -- more than ten months later -- and it was via Facebook rather than my blog or email (she says she couldn't find my email address).
Today I visited Coral's Facebook page for the first time in a long time, and on a whim I responded to one of her anti-Clinton/pro-Trump political posts, which she wrote earlier this month. The post was about a Newt Gingrich video regarding Clinton's alleged "conflicts of interest," and I simply responded with a link to an Atlantic piece on Donald Trump's numerous and dramatic conflicts of interest. And that's when I finally heard from Coral. Here are screen shots of the conversation (click to enlarge):
Coral Grant: Don't comment on my page! By the way you might want to do some fact checking because everything you wrote about me on your blog is wrong! You're lucky I don't sue you because news outlets picked up on your crap.So there you have it. And let me clarify some points.
Connie Schmidt: Tell me exactly what I got wrong and I will make corrections.
Coral Grant: Connie Schmidt take it all down because none of it is accurate. I never had a Ponzi scheme and I've never been sued for anything.
Coral Grant: I had a very legitimate coaching certification company and I've changed thousands of lives. I currently still do even though I had to shut the company down because I had huge issues with our financial team stealing money.
Coral Grant: Ask any of my clients and you will get a completely different picture of who I am and the impact that I've made.
Connie Schmidt: But you were sued. Was the case dismissed? If so I will add that to my blog. I want to be fair.
Coral Grant: No I was never sued there is no 30 million or 20 million Dollar lawsuit filed against me.
Coral Grant: If I was sued I would have been forced into bankruptcy which I was not
Coral Grant: And I'm still giving out refunds like I have over the last year to the people that believed in the company. I'm doing everything I can to make it right however everything that you printed about me was wrong
Coral Grant: There was never any case at all. I've had people send emails threatening but nothing has ever been filed and definitely nothing about a Ponzi scheme.
Coral Grant: Everything had to do with business debts and everything has already been resolved and people are happy with the agreements that I have made with them.
Connie Schmidt: But there was a complaint filed in court. Have you settled with plaintiffs Cheri Lucas and April Fisher?
Coral Grant: No there wasn't a file and they threatened to sue me for $100,000 for wages she thought she earned it had nothing to do with $20 million Ponzi scheme
Connie Schmidt: Regarding the Ponzi scheme accusation: if you read my blog post you will see that I was reporting about a case that had been filed in court, and I cited a Courthouse News Service article that said you had been ACCUSED of running a Ponzi scheme. This is that article:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/01/25/life-coaches-called-ponzi-operators.htm
Coral Grant: I had to hire a company to completely redo my online reputation still isn't done because of what you did! I would hope in the future you would ask questions and get all the facts before you put something so terrible about somebody. I have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of your blog. Please do better in the future! Also I don't owe you an exclamation you should be apologizing to me!
Coral Grant: This is not accurate! Like every other news outlet out there including yours!
Coral Grant: Please do everything you can to take down what you wrote and get it off the Internet! I'm hopping on a plane and I'm done with this conversation.
Connie Schmidt: Almost nobody reads my blog so you can't blame me for your reputation being compromised. People wrote to me about you and how you had scammed them. I had never even heard of you before I heard from these folks.
Coral Grant: Connie Schmidt I am not blaming you exclusively! I have contacted every other news outlet and said the same thing to them. You did not have any way to contact you on your blog so now I'm letting you know just like I let them know to take this crap down if it's not true!
Connie Schmidt: Um... my email addresses -- BOTH of them -- are on my blog and have been for years.
Coral Grant: I don't subscribe to your blog! When I google my name your blog about me comes up and I could not find your contact info.
Coral Grant: Either way! Please get this taken care of as soon as possible. Thank you!
Connie Schmidt: You don't have to subscribe to my blog to read the email addresses on it. I know they are clearly viewable on the Web edition and I think you can get to them from the mobile edition as well.
Connie Schmidt: I will make appropriate addenda to my blog post about the case.
Coral Grant: Thank you!
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- Coral wrote to me: "There was never
any case at all. I've had people send emails threatening
but nothing has ever been filed and definitely nothing
about a Ponzi scheme."
a. First off, Coral seems to be telling me that the case never existed. But SOMETHING was filed back in January of this year). Though I was and am opinionated, I was quite tentative in my actual reportage about this case. I speculated that the outcome of the case was anyone's guess. I wrote: "This case is only in its very early stages and may end up fizzling out, or being settled out of court, or it may actually become a really big thing. With court cases you just never know." And that's true. If there are followup documents -- if the case was dismissed or withdrawn by the plaintiffs or there was a settlement -- I would like to see relevant documents and I will report and share as appropriate. For now what I have is Coral's claim that one complainant (she didn't specify which one -- Cheri Lucas or April Fisher?) only threatened to sue her for $100,000 for money she thought that Coral owed her, but it had nothing to do with a Ponzi scheme and, in Coral's words, "there wasn't a file." Now, I am not a lawyer. And it is very possible that I just do not understand the definition of "filing" and that the document I shared (Cause no. D-1-GN-16-000281, 1/18/2016 in Travis County, Texas) was never actually filed. Perhaps it was just a draft or even a clever forgery. But a lawyer friend of mine had to pay the Travis County 98th Judicial District Court nearly $60 to obtain a copy of the document, so I'm thinking that it went beyond the draft stage and that it was genuine, even if the case all came to naught.
b. It is possible that Coral was never properly served, due to attorney error or the inability of the process servers to locate her, for whatever reason. If she was never served -- for whatever reason -- it would be technically correct to state that she was not actually sued. But if that is what happened I had no way of knowing it, and I assume that none of the other people who reported it knew it either.
c. I personally never directly accused Coral and her hubby of running a Ponzi scheme; as anyone can see if they read my blog post, I merely reported what my source article said about complaints that had apparently been filed in court against Coral. It was the complainants who alleged that she was running a Ponzi scheme, not I. Granted, the Daily Beast article about it should have added "alleged" to their headline, but that was their headline, not mine. I am very well aware that there is a legal definition of a Ponzi scheme and that not every scam, dodgy scheme or even legitimate but money-losing enterprise is a Ponzi scheme. Technically, in fact, Kevin Trudeau's huge scam, the Global Information Network (GIN) was never actually determined by the courts to be a Ponzi scheme or even an illegal pyramid scheme (though it undoubtedly was a pyramid scheme, and the Federal Trade Commission's experts agreed on that), and I have always been quite careful to make those distinctions in my own writing. Moreover, while allegations in a legal document are not actually proof of the truth of those allegations -- since people are pretty much free to say anything they want in a legal complaint -- the complainants did indeed accuse Coral and Mac of running a Ponzi scheme, and that's what the media reported. Here are screen shots of two pages of the complaint:
- As you can see for yourself by reading the dialogue above, Coral claims that she had and has a "very legitimate coaching certification company" and that she changed thousands of lives, and she only had to shut the previous company down because she had "huge issues with our financial team stealing money." If that is true, shame on the "financial team." Perhaps she should be suing them. If she does I will be glad to report that.
- I should emphasize -- and again, just for the sake of bending over backwards to be fair -- that Coral claims the whole to-do was a misunderstanding that had to do with business debts and whatnot. Or maybe it had to do with the financial team stealing money. I'm a little confused. But anyway, according to Coral it has all been resolved, and everyone is happy, and she is giving out refunds to anyone who wants them. "I'm doing everything I can to make it right however everything that you printed about me was wrong," said she, to me.
- Coral implied a threat to sue me because "news outlets" picked up on my "crap," and she claims that she lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of what I wrote about this case. I will have to call b.s. on that. As I pointed out to her, almost nobody reads this little blog. I have the stats to prove it. As of the time I'm writing this, only 277 pairs of eyeballs have gazed upon this particular post since I first published it in January. Whirled Musings is an almost embarrassingly unvisited outpost of the blogosphere. But I still strive to be accurate. I have standards. And I got my original information about the case from content that had already been published on a couple of other legitimate sites that rank much higher on the search engines than I ever have. These content providers did not get their information from me; the reverse was true. Apparently, however, my blog pops up when Coral Google-searches herself.
- Most of my blog content consists of opinions, though I make every effort to get the facts on which I base those opinions correct. As of now, all I have on which to base corrections and additions and clarifications are Coral's own statements. So I have published these. Regarding my opinions, I stand firmly by my opinions about life coaching schemes and about anyone who is closely associated with serial scammer Kevin Trudeau, or even simply claims to be closely associated with him. (And by the way, I also stand by my rather unpopular-among-scambusters opinion that nonviolent scammers don't belong behind bars.)
Anyone who has any questions, comments, or clarifications can either comment on this blog directly (comments will not appear immediately, because I moderate), or you can write to me at one of these email addresses:
cosmic.connie@juno.com
cosmic.connie@gmail.com
Love your blog! I have been following scammer Coral for some time now. A relative of ours got caught in her web, yup, big get rich quick dreams, stars in the eyes the whole nine yards! Well the old saying is true, "If it's to good to be true, it's not true". They let this woman talk them into selling their house, well, you know who profited from this?? Pie in the sky dreams of being rich, she is very good at dangling the carrot in front of your nose. Victoria Secret Leather and Lace supper bowl party's, trips to Pairs, trips to Mexico, fancy retreats, some ones got to pay for all this high flying life style, and it's not going to be the husband and wife team of scammer villi! Now, they have nothing left, are starting all over in a rental home, in mid life with no more to show for all the previous years of hard work. Were they naive, yes, should they have done their home work before they bought her line of crap, yes, but still, this woman and that con man side kick should be in jail!!
ReplyDeleteCheck this out, she will stop at exploiting nothing to make a buck, this makes me sick, she will even use her own children to scam others! This Web site www.americancheermom.com is enough to gag a maggot! The American Cheer Mom, oh please, has this woman and her scam squad have no shame?
I hope she goes to jail where she belongs, and the scammer side kick also!
Please do not make my information public, I do wish to remain Anonymous, but you can contact me any time.I want this person in Jail along with Katie, hope they share bed bugs!
I would like to address some of the issues you discussed in your blog regarding Coral, Mac and the rest of the "scammers" you mentioned. First, I was certified by Coaching By Coral LLc in December 2011. I later became a Master Life Coach with The Secret To Life Coaching Company. When I became a coach with the company, Coral was an amazing leader and mentor. The change began happening in 2014 and it went downhill from there. Up until that time we were changing a lot of lives and I was proud to be associated with the Company. I want to point out that not everyone associated with the company are "scammers" but were instead taken in by them as well.
ReplyDeleteI know that many people have been hurt financially by them, to include myself but I still believe in the objective of a Life Coach and I know many amazing ones who came out of this company. You are certainly entitled to your opion about Life Coaches and especially those certified by Coral's companies but I know how I have changed many lives and will continue to do so in the future. Coral bash all you want but please do not lump all of those involved in her companies as "Scammers" I am also choosing to do this Anonymous because of the ongoing lawsuits but that does not make me less proud of being a Life Coach. Thank you.
Thanks for weighing in, Anon. I have no problem with Anonymous comments as long as they are not abusive.
ReplyDeleteWhether Coral was an "amazing leader and mentor" or not, she made a deal with the devil (well, Kevin Trudeau, anyway) years ago, and my sense is that it was always about Coral and not about "changing lives." You may very well have entered into the business with good intentions and you may still have good intentions, and possibly even genuinely good results; I have no reason at this point to disbelieve you. But I think it would be a mistake to give Coral a similar benefit of the doubt.
One point: "Changing lives" is kind of a catchall phrase (I assume you mean that you were changing lives for the better :-)), and I would be interested to know if there are any specific examples you could provide. Not giving names, of course, unless you and the people whose lives were changed are cool with that... but just some examples.
Thanks again for writing.
It has been almost two years since I commented on your blog and to be honest I did not read your reply to me until tonight. To answer your question regarding my comment about changing lives. Yes I work with my clients to discover what their passion is, or their purpose in life, and give them the tools to set and reach their goals, therefore achieving their dreams.
ReplyDeleteYou ask for an example, here is one I am very proud of; One of my clients took a class from me because he was trying to get some focus in his life and to get some clarity on what his true passion is. He was all but homeless, couch surfing at different friends homes, floundering in his personal and professional life. At the end of the 13 week course he was living in an upscale condo in his chosen neighborhood, sleeping on his own couch, starting to write his second book and opening up a yoga studio. Fast forward 5 years, 4 books published, keynote speaker and Life Coach/mentor.
Again, I am speaking out for all of the awesome and amazing Life Coaches out there....Even Dr. Phil has recognized the value of Life Coaches, whether we were certified through TSTLC, or Tony Robbins, we are here to change lives for the better. Have an amazing life and good luck with your blog.
Thank you for your followup, Anon (Jan. 11, 2018). I've heard many "from-homeless-to-success" stories, and they've become somewhat of a cliche. It's hard to know what to think of some of these stories, particularly when some of them are told by hype-filled hustlers such as the famously formerly homeless (or so he says) Joe "Mr. Fire" Vitale.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I am sure there are some legitimate rags-to-riches tales in the self-help world, and while I am in no position to dispute the veracity of your example, and have no argument with your opinion that there are some good "Life Coaches" out there, this doesn't exonerate the real scammers. And I actually think that Tony Robbins is one of the worst of the real scammers. Dr. Phil isn't exactly one of my heroes either.
But I am willing to take your word that you have seen and contributed to some real-life success stories. And until I see any evidence to the contrary, I will assume that your former client, whoever he is (and I understand the need for client confidentiality) is actually doing some good for others and isn't merely exploiting other people with scams based upon false narratives. For it seems to me that there have been too many cases of the latter, and "Life Coaches" have been at the center of many of these cases.
Again, thank you for participating in the discussion here.
hello there. i just come across your this conversation by accident, chance or will see what comes out of it...
ReplyDeleteI invested $50000 in the STLC in 2016. I attended a seminar with Coral in Colorado and in Europe. Yes i did meat nice people and learned a lot through the coaching i received. I also meat not so good people but because i thought i was in a save loving and caring environment i was very naive and lost an other big deal of money trusting them. So yes I agree with the posts above from anonymous (for the moment i will also choose to be anonymous) That a lot of poeple benefit from Coral's coaching. There is nothing agains life coaches who do their job with integrity. the problem is that Coral uses her coaching skills to steal money from people. Ok we are supposed to be responsible for what we do, and we have to learn through our mistakes, i just find this reply a bit too easy. I feel I have a part to play in order to stop those escrows from freely and openly continuing robbing people.
Thank you, Anon March 05, 2018. Coral stated in her social media conversation with me that she is trying to make things right, so perhaps you can try to contact her directly and see if you can get any of your investment back.
ReplyDeleteI would also like to make note of the fact that major links in my original post no longer work. My Scribd link to the original lawsuit against Coral et al. leads to a message that the document was removed from Scribd. The link to the original Courthouse News report about the suit leads to a "Not Found" message (though several of the mainstream news sources stories about the matter are still on the Web). I guess Coral's "reputation fixers" did their job. Of course, removing content from the Web doesn't alter history, so one should still keep the old saying, "Buyer beware" in mind when pursuing "life coaching" options.