tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post3264055450260565470..comments2024-02-11T15:41:08.332-06:00Comments on Whirled Musings: Kevin Trudeau: Rats in our heads, GIN down the toilet... and life goes onCosmic Conniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09425191794680677900noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-41893832005460077482012-11-02T00:41:37.062-05:002012-11-02T00:41:37.062-05:00Well I have known Kevin a long time and also Peter...Well I have known Kevin a long time and also Peter Wink. Peter Wink is a 100% rock solid flake. He will put his nose up anyone's butt if they pay him and then turn on them when the weather turns. He is a flat out liar with zero loyalty and trust. He will say whatever pleases those at the time and he will do anything for money and then change colors and act innocent. He cannot be believed fully. This is why Nightengale _COnant let him go. He is desperate and soulless. Kevin T is a brilliant liar and also very Brilliant!. He exposed the FTC, FDA for their massive corruption and collusion with Big Pharma etc and I and many are thankful he had the balls to do that. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that that's a major reason why they are after him, and yes he is no angel, thats for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-83720203534158102052012-10-30T11:10:25.441-05:002012-10-30T11:10:25.441-05:00Well it appears that my deluded friend I mentioned...Well it appears that my deluded friend I mentioned earlier this year is attending this Nashville conference. At great expense I'm sure, spending what little money she has on this fraudster as he desperately clings to his liberty. It's absolutely heartrending, to see her oblivious to his fate and ignoring the pleas of her family and friends. It will hopefully put her on the slow road to recovery when this sociopath is behind bars.Kenny G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03418374929123678630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-87794059186401179042012-10-29T16:13:29.828-05:002012-10-29T16:13:29.828-05:00Sorry 'bout the quality of the video I didn...Sorry 'bout the quality of the video I didn't really check it properly, but there are lots more out there on the same theme.hhhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-73493910945547838922012-10-29T14:22:55.036-05:002012-10-29T14:22:55.036-05:00Connie, Connie, you'll like this..
https://ww...Connie, Connie, you'll like this..<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvohhHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-70982710949962081412012-10-29T12:57:35.088-05:002012-10-29T12:57:35.088-05:00Here we go, Freeman on the Land and common law. Th...Here we go, Freeman on the Land and common law. This is a UK example but the same sort of broad principles are claimed for the US I believe.<br /><br />[Council Tax, BTW, is a local authority tax for public services - street lights, garbage collection etc.]<br /><br />[And I apologise if this turns out to be a bit irrelevent to your stuff]<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVWKpNkav0U<br /><br />[I may have started on the wrong post with this, BTW]Hhhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-73839191651738108942012-10-28T18:11:31.854-05:002012-10-28T18:11:31.854-05:00That's an interesting letter about the jurisdi...That's an interesting letter about the jurisdiction of the courts, admiralty law and all that because I've seen stuff like that before. There's an org called The People's United Collective, started by a guy called John Harris, here that promote the idea of the illegitimacy of English law, or certain aspects of it, based on a conflict between common law and contractual, commercial legislative law.<br />The idea is that most of what passes as law is not, and is rather of a contractual nature and can only be enforced with consent of the policed and governed.<br />So, for example, you get a speeding ticket. In this interpretation you would not consent to paying it, insisting it was contractual and you do not wish to enter into a contract thanks all the same.<br />Legal bodies are seen as being truly corporate, commercial ventures, and there's a lot of stuff about law of the sea, commercial admiralty law etc., and the idea that humans are contractually sold into the system at birth. Well, that's kind of true, but whether birth of a human and birth of a ship are really the same in the law dictionaries I don't know.<br /><br />There was a case recently where a guy got a court summons, and turned up but refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the court for the sort of reasons your man lists - commercial law, contractual, doesn't consent to it etc. It seemed to work for so long, and caused a bit of a stir, but recently I think he had succumbed to the court system and had to eat some real humble pie.<br />Whether this is all based on truth or not, I don't really know, though I thought it was pretty interesting I don't have time for research. <br /><br />I do know that it is popular among conspiracists and occult lore exponents - you've got Icke and Jordan Maxwell on about it a lot. Still waiting for a big lizard head to turn up on our coins.<br /><br />I think what your snarget will find is that despite protestations of common law the gov still have the cuffs and billy clubs.hHhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-61817470853928456892012-10-23T14:00:53.279-05:002012-10-23T14:00:53.279-05:00(Continued from previous comment)
You asked: &quo...(Continued from previous comment)<br /><br />You asked: "Did it happen somewhere your husband or bf didn't buy you something?" LOL, guess again, Dr. Phil. If anything, my fiance buys me too many things. He bought me a piano the other night at an auction, and I didn't even know I wanted one. (We ended up putting it back on the block because nobody wanted to mess with moving a piano, and I didn't want to mess with rearranging the room where we would have to put it. Easy come, easy go.). No, my deal is that I've just been sensitized, perhaps over-sensitized, by reading and hearing too many accounts, over the years, from people whose spouses or loved ones went off the deep end in GIN and other "success" programs and biz-ops, and ended up neglecting their spouses and their kids. It is a story that is played out over and over and over. You can't entirely blame the scam or the scammer, of course; people do have to take responsibility for their actions. But the scammers can be powerfully persuasive.<br /><br />Moreover, I am very well aware that the problem is much larger than GIN and Trudeau. GIN is just one example of a scam, and Trudeau is just one scammer. There are many others.<br /><br />Your own goal to provide for your family abundantly is admirable. But have you actually been able to provide for them better because of GIN, or are you just banking on the promises that GIN and KT and his minions make -- you know, those promises that if you advance far enough in the "training" (i.e., the paid membership levels) you will learn the skills to provide more abundantly for your family? Or are you banking on making a lot of money from the MLM side of the business? You don't have to answer these questions unless you want to; after all, it is none of my business, really. But you should ask yourself these questions, and be honest in your answers.<br /><br />As it happens, I am indeed focused on my personal goals. And one of my personal goals is to help prevent people from being scammed; towards that end, I am currently involved in a fledgling nonprofit initiative to educate people about scams and scammers.<br />CC<br /><br />###<br /><br />And that's it so far. I know I am probably wasting my time, but I just felt I had to make another stab at talking some sense into him.Cosmic Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425191794680677900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-44241484609703080912012-10-23T13:59:52.052-05:002012-10-23T13:59:52.052-05:00(Continued from previous comment)
From: Cosmic Con...(Continued from previous comment)<br />From: Cosmic Connie<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br />So let me get this straight. As we clarified in a previous email, the original deal was that you would get $2,000 cash for each person whom you signed up for the 2010 Summer Bonanza -- each person who qualified for the $10k themselves, that is. You signed up three folks who qualified, making your "bonus bonus" $6,000. This extra $6,000 was to be in addition to your own $10,000 qualification bonus, which you would get if you remained a dues-paying member for 24 consecutive months, and attended at least one live event. Okay, I got that so far. However, you told me earlier that you chose to apply that extra $6k towards tools, upgrades, etc., and that you also got to go to Nashville for free as part of it. (I think I understood you correctly on that point.) All of this was in lieu of cash.<br /><br />Yet you are still expecting $10k in cash (check). 'Kay... got that.<br /><br />Now you say that for each of those three extra $2k "bonus bonuses" you spend on upgrades and events, you will get an extra $500. So if you spend the entire promised $6k on upgrades and events, you will get a total of $1,500 in cash, right? Which means that GIN will only have to give you $1,500 instead of $6,000. Heck of a savings for them. That is, unless they decide to offer you yet another non-cash option to cover that $1,500, such as...let me go out on a limb here and take a wild, wild guess... more tools and upgrades! Which means they don't have to give you any of that $6k in cash. An even sweeter deal for them!<br /><br />And of course I am assuming that you still haven't received the $10k cash for your own Summer Bonanza qualification. I know, I know, you say that you are waiting on it and that these things take time and that you expect it to be paid some time in November. Or later. But you still believe it will be paid.<br /><br />Unless, of course, you decide to "invest" in yourself further and take a non-cash option for the whole kit and caboodle. I suspect that is what they really want you to do. And if you get drunk enough and/or high enough on the vibes at the event, you just may decide to do what they want you to do.<br /><br />But jeez, it still sounds to me as if you are spending more actual cash than you are getting, and of course the deficit will only be larger if you don't get that $10k check -- which, I am given to understand, is still up in the air. No doubt you will tell me about all of the intangible benefits of GIN participation, particularly with the events -- e.g., meeting people, having fun, getting drunk, listening to music, having smoke blown up your a$$, being part of a mass illusion that you are somehow raising your own "vibes" and the vibes of the world, making "lasting friendships," and so forth.<br /><br />(And by the way, contrary to what you seemed to be saying in your email the other night, almost all of the GIN naysayers and critics on Facebook with whom I have communicated have in fact been to numerous live GIN events -- including leadership cruises. They experienced the same giddy highs you did. But then they came down, which seems to be an inevitable part of the cycle.)<br /><br />(To be continued)Cosmic Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425191794680677900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-21940637366105053102012-10-23T13:51:44.653-05:002012-10-23T13:51:44.653-05:00Continuation of the conversation with "Dick,|...Continuation of the conversation with "Dick,| who wrote to me from Nashville this past weekend, while apparently having the time of his life. Though he had earlier told me he didn't want to argue any more and he thought we should stop emailing, apparently he just could not stay away. The first message is one I got from him last night, and you can follow it from there. Due to Blogger’s character limitations for comments, I’ll have to do this in two parts.<br /><br />..............................<br />From: Dick<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br /><br />This is incredible!!!! BB Kings last Thursday night with the Platinums!!! Forget the 2 people on FB that haven't actually been to an event. This is growing!!! Wow!<br />Dick<br /><br />.................<br />From: Cosmic Connie<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br />Glad you are having fun. These events have a way of making people giddy. They are planned that way, calculated to manipulate you, to get you pumped so you will give Kevin more money.<br /><br />Speaking of money, did you get your $10,000 bonus check yet?<br /><br />Has Kevin talked about his upcoming arraignment later this month?<br /><br />Enjoy the party while it lasts because it may be the last one for a while. And consider taking that money you were thinking of throwing into the Stand With KT Defense Fund toilet, and buying your wife something nice with it.<br />CC<br /><br />.................<br />From: Dick<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br />Lol! I was wondering what you were going to say.<br />Dick<br /><br />.................<br />From: Cosmic Connie<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br />You should know by now that I am predictable. So what is the new ground floor biz-op KT is offering at this event? Another chance to sell boxes of his vitamins that he can't get rid of otherwise? Anyway, have fun, but hang on to your wallet.<br />CC<br /><br />.................<br />From: Dick<br />Re: Nashville GIN Event!!!<br />I wasn't able to read this email because of the 'rats' audio. But on the other one, I'm making money. They gave me an extra $500 for each of the three $2000 I use for upgrades and events. I was going to take the money and upgrade and go to events because its fun to meet people and learn how to provide for my family abundantly anyway, and this way I get more. Plus the 10 grand! Did it happen somewhere your husband or bf didn't buy you something? It's about investing in yourself. This information isn't Kevin's. I would never be able to have his training without this club with the income I made before. In the rats audio you heard what happens to people who are obsessed with others; instead, maybe take that desire and focus it on your personal goals!<br />Dick<br />............<br /><br />To be continued...Cosmic Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425191794680677900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-7400210426020840642012-10-20T14:01:54.112-05:002012-10-20T14:01:54.112-05:00"Therefore, to publicly comment about my form..."Therefore, to publicly comment about my former superior (employment wise) or any of his followers would have no reward for me."<br /><br />I guess the "reward" somehow materialized for him after the termination of his relationship with Vitale, and again, after the termination of his relationship with Trudeau. Makes one wonder how long it will be until he the terminates the relationship with Coldwell (or until Coldwell terminates it) and Wink finds the same "reward."RevRon's Rantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786080982796903930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-76440016124997874022012-10-20T12:50:57.544-05:002012-10-20T12:50:57.544-05:00Good points, Ron. I know it seems I go overboard i...Good points, Ron. I know it seems I go overboard in my efforts to be "fair," and that this may come across as wimpy. However, I was only giving credit to Peter for sharing the latest FTC documents, and I do appreciate that. My understanding is that he continues cooperate with the Feds in the investigations so I consider him to be a source of information. Not exactly like a C.I. on the cop shows, but kind of like that.<br /><br />As for accountability for his years with Trudeau, I don't know how it is possible to "make someone accountable" who has his story and sticks to it. Peter and I had a discussion about this on Facebook back in July. It doesn't seem to be on his page any more (maybe I just can't find it; the Timeline thing is kind of squirrelly). But it was around July 18. I had copied and pasted most of the exchange so I will re-create it the best I can here.<br /><br />Peter started out by promoting my blog.<br /><br />"Hi Everyone. While Connie Schmidt and I do not always agree, there are some things we are totally aligned on. Read her blog "Whirled Musings." She is one of the best bloggers online whether you agree with her or not. Funny as heck too!"<br />Whirled Musings<br />cosmicconnie.blogspot.com<br /><br />I responded: "Thanks, Peter. At least we agree about KT now!"<br /><br />He wrote back: "My opinion is the same from day one. I've been around him off and on since the 90s. Same guy same predictability. Everything went as predicted."<br /><br />I wrote: "You still think he [KT] is the sweetest, most sincere guy around, and that anybody would want to work with him? Just trying to understand." [I was quoting what Peter had told me on the phone in late 2009 about Trudeau, shortly after he went to work for him. I had quoted him on that in my "Conversations With Peter Wink Part 2" blog post.]<br /><br />Peter responded: "I will explain all this to you when we do our follow up interview. Personally I'm happier where I'm at. Learned a lot. Did a lot. I was smart enough to set myself up for this a year ago. Reporting to Kevin Trudeau directly had its good points. The reality is that I've changed a lot over the past three years and have very public ambitions. Therefore, to publicly comment about my former superior (employment wise) or any of his followers would have no reward for me. Unfortunately I believe the whole house of cards will absolutely come down soon, so getting out and doing bigger things was the right recipe. I just hope all the members and affiliates do not lose everything they have. I also hate to see all my former co-workers unemployed, which seems inevitable as most of them know nothing about the financial realities which were scary at best. When this all crashes I have a great opportunity for all the former members anyway."<br /><br />And yes, I have called Peter out on the MLM that he and Lenny Coldwell have been involved in since they got out of GIN. But he has said repeatedly, both publicly and privately, that he only wants to focus on bringing KT to justice. So as far as I can see, I can demand "accountability" regarding the larger scheme of things all I want, but it is wasted energy.Cosmic Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425191794680677900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31759120.post-33498629622905569392012-10-20T12:09:39.909-05:002012-10-20T12:09:39.909-05:00As you and I have discussed previously, if one is ...As you and I have discussed previously, if one is to "give due credit" to someone for engaging in the practice of "exposing" his previous employers and supposed "dear friends," it is only appropriate to make the person accountable for promoting the scammer in the first place. That is especially true when it is a historical pattern.RevRon's Rantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786080982796903930noreply@blogger.com